Motorcycle oil... or cage oil in your motor???

[Blagadán]

:stir:

wahaha.....

http://www.ducatimeccanica.com/oil.html

[acp]

So Castrol GTX is better than my bike oil? I'll stick with mine thanks. It's not too expensive over here anyway, at least in relation to car oil.

[rammy1500]

I tried the valvoline bike oil last year at twice the price as cage oil, suppose to help the clutches, but I still have to let the lever out all the way before the bike launches.

[Blagadán]

In my bikes I've always used mobil. I recently got mobil extra 4T, 10W-40 semi synthetic, about €45 for 4 ltrs. Cant remember what I always used before I put my zl away for her "nap" but I've always used mobil semi synth and the 4T is available in most bike shops here.
For my car, I use mobil super S 10w-40, about €35 for 5 ltrs.

I know they're the same 'weight' but I wouldn't consider using bike oil in the car or car oil in the bike, I dont believe "marketing" is the only difference between the two oils... the bike oil tastes a whole lot sweeter too... just kiddin.

For some reason, with the car, I like to see the colour of the mobil oil doesnt go jet black, even after 10,000miles service/oil cange. Theres still a hint of colour to it when draining out the old oil. I have used castrol and others in the past and they dont seem to hold up as well.

PS..... I dont work for Mobil... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

Blag

[Blagadán]

...... and I use motul 2T 2 stroke oil in my chainsaw.... cos I like the smell... reminds me of my younger 2 stroke days with my RG250 and my brother on his TZR250......rippin up the country side over here.

Aint nothin like the smell of fresh cut pine and motul 2t in the mornin.....

[bigjeffie]

synthetic (whatever that means these days) rotella5w-40 here.
my reasoning is gets the slippery to where it belongs quickly, warms faster.
I have seen good used oil analysis of this shell product at bob is the oil guy (used in a motorcycle specific application.)
runs about 4.25US per quart at walmart.

when we get to 90 degree summer days i may try the cheaper Rotella 15w-40 dino

[zlMark]

I use 10w40 Golden Spectro synthetic motorcycle oil.

DejaVu here thought i wrote this already.

I used to use amsoil 20w50 synthetic. Wouldn't shift well. Went to thinner 10w40 synthetic and shifting is improved very much.

[bigjeffie]

u did mark.
I brought it up in another thread

[bigjeffie]

that is a dated article, but many of the points of consideraton hold true for today.

For the record, and those who dont know, the publisher of the article(MotorCycle Consumer News) is a reputable and information oriented magazine whose sole purpose is to provide unbiased information for the enthusiast.

MCN accepts no advertising.

Sometimes it is true that the primary difference in products is the packaging.

[wuputt]

I use the motorcycle oil. I have Castrol 20/50 in it now. Am I missing something here? Why are you guys putting lighter weight oils in your bike?

[acp]

I use Guardian 10w40 Semi-synthetic in mine.

[Bearkiller]

I run Motorex 10w 40 in both my bikes. I read good articles on it and one of our sales reps recommended it so I thought I'd try it out. The bikes do seem to run and shift smoother than before. Haven't reached the time for an oil change yet. So far so good.

[Bacchus]

ok.. I may be stupid but I dont know what cage oil is.

I recently followed dale walkers recomendation and switched to the rotella 5w 40 motor oil. I have noticed that the oil has remained cleaner in appearance for a longer period of time than I was experiencing previously.

[CHRIS]

dad is running rotella, in his, & i'm running castrol gtx in mine ! CHRIS

[Blagadán]

Oops, thought it was a worldwide term...

Cage = Car.

Biker speak for 'car' used a whole lot here in ireland.. Kind of a metaphorical twist. Those travel in a car are trapped in their "cage" and the biker is free on his metal horse kind of thing... There are forums here in ireland that you can get bashed on pretty heavy for mentioning the 3 letter word!

cage oil is standard automotive oil... sorry bacchus.

Is the term cage used in the uk & rest of europe or is it just an irish thing...?

[lowlife]

Cage= car here too, just not a prime directive

I use Rotella 5-40 Synthetic. Fo rhtose in teh USA read the container. All synthetics are not created equal. Also to everyone using a FRAM filter. Throw it away and buy a cheaper Super Tech at wally world.

[click-it]

Bike oil only.

[MachIV]

Castrol GTX 20x50 car oil.
M/C oil is just price gouging,there may be a couple extra additives
but should a few PPM of chemicals double the price per quart?

[acp]

A lot of bikers here call them cages as well blag. Well, the ones I know call them cages. That's not including fair-weather riders of course.

[54lariat]

MMMMotul over here... I have a dealer hookup, I get that stuff cheap, half off retail....otherwise I stick Motorcraft in EVERYHTING....LOL

54

[zot]

AmsOil....keep tryin' to tell ya'....

[Wold]

2 last times used BP Visco 3000 semi - synt 10w40
work good
will try Visco 5000 5w40

[Stormy]

Motul 4T 20W/50 Mineral Oil in my ZL1000 (all oils, fluids, coolants, etc in my bike are Motul products, I get them all at a good discounted rate, in exchange for free advertising on my local Ulysses Club Branch website).

Penrite HPR 50 - 25W/60 in my car (1976 Toyota Corolla KE-30).

[rkerg]

I use Rotella 15-40 and like it just fine thank you.

[MachIV]

I use Rotella 15-40 and like it just fine thank you.

Diesel oil,interesting...........

[rkerg]

Diesel oil,interesting...........

Yeah, I got the idea off this or some other forum, anyway, it might be my imagination but, the Rotella seems to stay cleaner longer than most others.
And, it doesn't cost any more than cage oil.

[Stormy]

Any high detergent, diesel oil will always keep any engine cleaner over the long run.

Diesel oils are normally mineral based oils, so that side of things are right. You smell the oil to check whether it's mineral or not, the smell is reminiscent of gearbox oil.

Theoretically, the thinner the oil, the better the clutch plates grab, the smoother the gearbox will shift and more positively, it will ease the flow of oil inside the engine, the quicker the engine will heat up in cold weather and it will increase the efficiency of the oil to dissipate internal heat in hot weather. It gets into all the internal nooks and cranny's inside the motor and continuously flushes any sooty deposits into the sump, but there is a trade off, they are usually not as long lived as the thicker viscosity oils but with all the extra benefits a thinner oil can give, it's no wonder they don't last.

The only issue I'd have with using it, is the addition of any friction modifiers like Teflon or PTFE, that may be in it, which could affect the clutch plates and give slipping issues, but you'd definitely know about that if they did.

Mick.

[rkerg]

The only issue I'd have with using it, is the addition of any friction modifiers like Teflon or PTFE, that may be in it, which could affect the clutch plates and give slipping issues, but you'd definitely know about that if they did.

Mick.

No Mick, it doesn't have those things in it.

[Stormy]

You can't be too careful with oil these days, some companies pop those types of additives in mainly as a marketing ploy, like the Australian brand "Castrol Magnatec" car engine oil, it has a PTFE friction modifier in it to help the oil adhere to parts overnight, theoretically making for less engine wear during cold starting.

I reckon it probably would work too, but I reckon it would also slow any errant engine deposits from being flushed into the sump, they'd stay in the oil system longer and the possibilties of the oil getting "gluggy" as the oil gets older, may be a theoretical problem too, IMHO.

[toolmaker129]

AmsOil hands down for me. I used cage oil for awhile and always had problems especially with 4th gear. I tried AmsOil on advice from a site member and my bike ran and shifted better than it ever had since I owned it. I am a true believer in AmsOil. One other thought, I also flushed my cooling system at the beginning of summer and used Engine Ice coolant. My bike runs alot cooler and the cooling fan doesn't kick on as often as it use to. AmsOil and Engine Ice are two awesome products worth the money.

[WillyD]

is the amsoil synthetic? Does it come in different weights? I just recently saw an ad at a local parts store that they carry amsoil...Have not been in there....I have that dreaded waterpump leak and I recently put the thin synthetic rotella in it...leak leak leak leak....

I need to replace the pump (I just recently got a used Ninja pump) and when I do, I guess I will flush out the coolant too...Will oook for the "Ice"

Willy

[Hellion]

Used Castrol 20w 50 in every vehicle, bike or otherwise since I was 16. I am now 42 and only this last year have I tryed something different, which is Silkolene 4T and that is only since I got Hellion and it was already in use in him but it doesnt stay as clean as long as the Castrol does so I may be switching him over to it also.

[AZBones]

For what it is worth

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Oils1.html

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/Consumables.html#Oil

[Bacchus]

a very good read on the subject of oils.

thanks for posting this up Bones !!

are you in town yet??

[kawboy]

The below is pasted from the linked article. He says don't use 10W-40, but then recommends 10W-40 and 5W-40(?). Contradictory.

"10w-40 oils should not be used in a motorcycle that runs the engine oil through the transmission.

I use Rotella-T Synthetic 5w-40 in my ST1300 and DL650.

The Recommended Synthetic Oils
Shell Rotella Synthetic 5w-40
Delvac 1 Synthetic 5w-40
Mobil-1 SUV/Truck Synthetic 5w-40
AMSOil AMF Synthetic 10w-40
Golden Spectro Synthetic 10w-50
Motul 5100 Synthetic 10w-40
Mobil-1 Synthetic 15w-50
Mobil-1 MX4T Synthetic 10w-40"

[Prostreet]

He may be referring to a dino grade 10-40. Those listed are synthetics.

[robamacs]

I was reading through the Dale questions and posts the other day, and noticed he liked to use 5w30 Diesel oil in his ZL's. I can see the logic in that, as it usually has a slightly hardier constitution than 'regular' 4 stroke engine oil, plus it holds onto all the gum and carbon the diesel produces.

I'm running a bog standard 10w40 oil (nothing fancy) at present, but was wondering what other folk are running in their bikes? Also, have any of you changed to Dale's suggested 5w30 Diesel, and have you had any issues with it?

Cheers.

Rob.

[Jarney]

Did you check the Poll section? Link below for the "oil poll". Some of us are running the Rotella 15w40. Later.

http://www.zl-oa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6259

[robamacs]

Did a search, but it didn't seem to bring it up. Cant seem to find the 'Rotella" stuff in the UK either.

Cheers, Ill check the link out.

Rob.

[zlMark]

I merged Robs thread into this one.

I use the Shell Rotalla T6 5w40 in all my bikes. I may switch to Royal Purple Max-Cycle 10w40 for the 900. I did notice that the T6 claims "Energy Saving", trying to find out if the "Energy Saving" is the same as the friction modifier used in "Energy Conserving" oils.

[mudrunner88]

Dino 15w40 Rotella to break in the new motor...
Once I do the first oil change I'm running Redline Motorcycle oil
www.redlineoil.com

[Prostreet]

I use a basic oil to "break-in" an engine , then after 500-600 miles change it out to the same oil for another 1000 miles. Thereafter its either the 15-40 Rotella or the Rotella synthetic 5-40.I use that stuff in my bikes AND my Lightning truck all the time. Love it!

[mudrunner88]

Well I just received my oil I ordered.

I accidentaly ordered 10w30 though...Has anybody ran this in their bikes? I live in a cooler climate area and weather is rarely over 90 degrees in my parts. I think I should be fine but wanted to voice concern.

I can't return it because it's hazardous...@$12.95 a quart I don't want to run out and buy 10w40 just because I clicked the wrong button when ordering!

I am leaning towards it should be fine for the season and then just switch it out next year / riding season. Reason being is because these newer synthetic oils meet much higher standards than dyno oil.

Input anyone?

I ordered Redline 10w30 Motorcycle grade synthetic (Specifically designed for wet clutch motorcycles)

[Prostreet]

You should be good as long as its a high quality oil, I see no problems with that weight whatsoever myself.

[f1nxlife]

im using golden specto 10 / 40 petroleum based in the 900..i had 20/50 golden spectro,,petroleum based,,,bacchus told me the 10/40 would circulate better ..seeing some motors have a problem circulating oil,,so far so good,,i have 20/50 petroleum golden spectro in the 1000,,i was affraid if i used the blends,,it would cause leaks,,this is what happened in my 900,,when i got the bike,,it had no leaks,,,i changed the oil to the spectro blend,,,and the valve cover started leaking,,,anyways,,,do you guys think i should go from 20/50 in the 1000 to 10/40..because of circulation issues,,,??,,,if so ..i will when the next change is due

[mudrunner88]

You should be good as long as its a high quality oil, I see no problems with that weight whatsoever myself.

That's what I thought just wanted to be re-assured I guess. Redline has some good stuff...They are up there with Lucas and AmsOil products. I don't say they are better or worse than others but they are in the same league and I have had excellent results with them.

I had a 5spd tranny with bad synchros on a truck and when I switched to redline MTL it shifted like butter for another 4 years! A friend had a jeep with a ratchety rear differential (noisy locker) so I told him to try redline shockproof oil...shut that right up! I used water wetter in a few cars to drop the temp down, and now I plan to run SuperCool w/water wetter which is suppose to be Engine Ice's competitor I guess.

OK enough blabbing...I will run the 10-30 this season and go back to 10-40 next season. Will let you all know how the superCool works out.