ZL "pipe" dream come true !!!

[Bacchus]

Hold on to your hats gentlemen we have a new development in the world of the ZL.

Ok here's the story, I called up Jon Cornell from UFO performnace this morning to order the new 4-1 slash cut exhaust for my vmax project

The converstation quickly turned from the vmax, and my new exhaust, to the ZL series bikes and the fact that very little is available for the ZL's in the way of exhaust systems. Jon is very, very stoked up about the zl's and would like very much to produce a high performance exhaust system for our ZL's ... Wooooooo Hoooo...

So heres the deal boys, we got us a vendor that is willing to develop a product that many of us would very much like to have !! Maybe a bad Ass high performance pipe that actually looks like it belongs, and sounds nice n' beefy on the ZL.... anybody interested? I thought so...lol

As I would like very much to see this fly, I am asking for input and Ideas from you guys so that a system can be developed that will have maximum appeal. This is a rare opportunity for us ZL guys to get somethnig built to our specifications.

at this point all ideas are viable. Please submit your must haves, your wants, your "Pipe" dreams so that these things can be considered for incorporation into this brand spaniking new hot rod ZL exhaust pipe.

please let me know if you have an interest in this product for your ZL and I will get your name on the list so that when available you will be informed.

Here is a link to the UFO website so that you guys can take a look at the kind of products Jon is producing currently for the 'max. Check it out !!.

http://www.ufocycles.com/

[zlMark]

The pro-street slash cut would be my cup of tea.

My requirements for a zl aftermarket exhaust:

Accessibilty for oil changes
Ground Clearance
Close to stock appearance (Must fill the void between the muffler and foot peg bracket like the stock exhaust)
Not too noisy ie: D&D Street pack vs Race pack
4 into 1 or 4 into 2 (I prefer 4 into 2 but if there is substantial gains then 4 into 1 is OK)
Removable Core

[zlMark]

I also need to add, the price he's getting for the UFO DragStar is more than I would pay for an exhaust for the zl. We have 2 options for aftermarket exhausts now both less than $535.00

I could see more for an exhaust that meets the criteria in my above post, but not $460 more.

[jmac]

I agree.I think most of us are giving up a little performance,for looks.If someone made something that looked close to stock I think it would sell.$500 or so would be in the ball park.anything much moere than that.people would keep doing what they are.Saying how good the stock system looks . :detective:

[Bacchus]

Good point mark,

I guess as part of the wish list members should submit what price point would be realistic.

thanks for your input !

[lowlife]

500.00- All comments above and to me its need to be damn near a ringer for the stock system. 4 into 2 period. I'll give up performance over a 4 into 1.

[tmdoth]

Has to be 4 into 2.. all the way.

[Kawasaki-krazy]

Has to be 4 into 2.. all the way.

:yeahthat:

KK

[Budgie]

Hi Fellas would have to be 4 into 2 for me stock looking with a nice growl rather than the dissapointing stock sound. in addition would it be available for 750????

[zlMark]

If the zl750 shares the same exhaust and frame as the zl900?

[Jarney]

Can't give up the looks. 4 into 2 only. I really love the sound these bikes make so I would prefer something as close to stock sounding as possible. Otherwise, what Mark said. Later.

[vinny]

4 into 2 slash cuts - must do away with the Power Chamber - and even balance tubes.
As Mark said - easy oil / filter change, ground clearance and a loss in weight. :D

Nice growl would be even better - not essential - but increase in power would be nice. :D

[Bacchus]

must have list:
1. 4-2
2. slash cut
3. close to stock in appearance
4. improved exhaust tone / growl
5. street / track exhaust pack option
6. mount in stock location
7. oil filter access
8. looks / sounds badassssss!!
9. $500 price point ----probably will cost more IMHO..

what about gains in hp ??
personally I want 110....hey factory said it was a 110hp machiene and I want 'em !

what say you?

[Bacchus]

the 4-1 does open up the back tire area nicely... I think there is no question that the 4-1 set up has additioinaly power gains over the 4-2 ... if it had one nice big fat stock looking pipe with a nice big exhaust port, I might change my opinion on the 4-2 must have item. maybe we shold re-consider the 4-1 guys...

the blacked out headers / exhuast aint bad either !

thanks for the pic's wold

[paulfun]

I hate looking at the left side of a zl with a4 into 1 it looks so naked like that!

Gotta say I like dual pipes better and the muffler area has to be filled out properly like the factory muffler does.

[zlMark]

A few hurdles in making a attractive exhaust for the zl


Frame down tubes are right where they shouldn't be DOH! They fixed this on the ZRX.
Rear frame cross member power chamber support brackets. No way these can stay.
Our lovely contoured foot peg holders. If the exhaust doesn't follow/fill this contour nicely then it isn't going to look good.


I don't see the head pipes being all that much different. Better flowing bigger. Some nice bigger polished tubing for connectors. And a work of art to get up around the rear frame into the slash-cuts. Chatting with paulfun and lowlife an x-pipe would help the flow and help get around the obstacles.


Let's stay on topic here please!

[Bacchus]

Its gotta gotta gotta look good !!!

this is the primary compaint and the reason I have not upgraded my exhaust allready. I dont like having to choose between performance and great curb appeal..... I want it all damnit !!!

[Bacchus]

wish list:
1. 4-2
2. slash cut
3. close to stock in appearance / big fat final pipe
4. improved exhaust tone / growl
5. street / track exhaust pack option or removable baffle
6. mount in stock location
7. oil filter access
8. looks / sounds badassssss!!
9. $500 price point ----probably will cost more IMHO..
10. adequate ground clarance

Still wondering about hp gains, is this an important element for you guys??? post up !

Slept on the 4*1 vs 4*2 thing ... you guys are right its gotta be 4 into 2. majority rules !

[Bacchus]

mark what is wrong with the frame down tubes? how did they fix on zrx??

why do the pc brackets need to be removed? would that require cutting them off the frame??

I was looking at the "loose" exhaust system that I have in the garage and I was thinking that stock wasnt that far off in terms of shaping of the pipes up to the power chamber, from there it sux, as they say in ohio...lol

maybe the group shold consider slip on option in order to meet the price point.. post up on this guys. full system or slip on at a better price..???

As far as the mounting of the mufflers in the stock location...yeah gotta have that ! I think that it is possible to do without the flow killing 90 degree angles. there are four 90's in the stock system. three of which are associated with the power chamber. one in the mufflers

if the mufflers were not tucked in quite as tightly as the stock mufflers are I think there might be enough room to make a slight bend behind the drivers foot peg outside the frame and connect up with a muffler located in the stock position. Im thinking that the muffler position would need to be an inch or a little more possible wider or untucked. I belive that this would maintain the appearance of stock.

[vinny]

Don't have a problem with slip-ons - Dale does some that allow the beast to breathe better and sound throatier. :D
What they don't have - is the slash cut sexiness of the OEM mufflers. :pale:

Getting rid of the junk under the oil pan could allow a deeper (GPZ900/1000RX) pan to be used, and open the way for a centre stand? :stir: :detective:

Also - finally, like Mark said - larger dia down pipes would help gas flow. :D

[Bacchus]

how bout color???

I was thinking blacked out but Elimax demands full chrome package.... what say you??

I agree those down tubes do look a little skinny on the inside diameter, that could use a little beefing up !

also agree..those stock cans are sexxxy arnt they !!

[KawTipper]

4 into 2
Slash-cut end & rounded at the front.
When I see a 4 into 1, the left side looks naked.

[greg]

hay lads dont forget the 600's

1 : 4 into 2
2 : better growl
3 : stock look

that will do me fine

[Bacchus]

is the exhaust set up for the 600's different than the 900/1000 ???

[greg]

apparently so i belive acp mentioned it at some time.

Quadzilla Dual Slash Cut

mind just took another look and the above would look the dogs

[zlMark]

mark what is wrong with the frame down tubes? how did they fix on zrx??They use a wider frame at the top allowing the pipes to come straight out and down


why do the pc brackets need to be removed? would that require cutting them off the frame??Gives you 1 1/4" or so extra room to get the pipes up into the muffflers while keeping them forward to fill the foot peg holder


maybe the group shold consider slip on option in order to meet the price point.. post up on this guys. full system or slip on at a better price..???I'm all for that


For Reference:
Full Muzzy stainless w/aluminum can 4 into 1 system for the ZRX1200 $739
http://search.cartserver.com/search/search.cgi?cartid=a-6265&category=kawasaki_exs&keywords=%27ZRX-1200%27&maxhits=100&go=GO%21

[Bacchus]

mark that would reqqire cutting the tabs off the frame right?

[zlMark]

mark that would reqqire cutting the tabs off the frame right?It may be required to get the results we are looking for.

[wuputt]

I would like to see stock reproduction of the head pipes, into X and stock look cans with better flow throughout!

Thats all... :D

[Bacchus]

I guessing that due to the lack of response to the hp gains question that performance gains are not really what you guys are after, it all about the bling bling with you zl guys isnt it .....lol

[tmdoth]

The horsepower gains have been addressed, just in disguise. If the weight is dropped, the power chamber removed, the pipe diameter enlarged and the flow improved. The horsepower should increase by default. The lack of restriction alone will allow the new pipes to properly utilize the raw power produced in the power plant, let alone the improved air/fuel flow from the pods and rejetting kits. I have what I want in the holeshots, but if someone can improve on it then I have an interest.

[lowlife]

I'm not sure I want the pipe diameter increased as it could lower low end grunt, by removing the PC you are by default increasing the length of the pipe though which may over ride the torque change by lengthing the pipe. Now I've confused myself...I'm gonna continue with my project until it works or turns disasterous. At which time I have learned either way.

[jmac]

I would like to see stock reproduction of the head pipes, into X and stock look cans with better flow throughout!

Thats all... :DThat sounds like a good idea. :detective:

[Bacchus]

wish list:
1. 4-2
2. slash cut ends
3. close to stock in appearance / big fat final pipe
4. improved exhaust tone / growl
5. street / track exhaust pack option or removable baffle, not too damn loud or harsh.
6. mount in stock location, molded with footpeg brackets
7. oil filter accessability
8. looks / sounds badassssss!! more low, end more rumble
9. $500 price point ----probably will cost more IMHO..
10. adequate ground clarance, pipes tucked up neatly under bike
11. part of a system that could produce 100+rwhp
12. larger dia. primarys
13. no 90 degree angles, smooth exhaust flow path
14. Slip on / full exhaust options


how is this looking to you guys??? Have I over looked anything ???
yeah I have .... chrome or black...??? what cha gotta have boys??

Im curious, If an exhaust could be produced that met all of your critera except it did not significantly increase HP would you guys still want it ??

Is it the look and sound that need to be primary considerations here???

[greg]

look and sound for me.
and black sounds good.
then price but for us brits postage is going to be the killer.

[Bacchus]

one vote for black noted

[K-Ray]

The pro-street slash cut would be my cup of tea.

My requirements for a zl aftermarket exhaust:

Accessibilty for oil changes
Ground Clearance
Close to stock appearance (Must fill the void between the muffler and foot peg bracket like the stock exhaust)
Not too noisy ie: D&D Street pack vs Race pack
4 into 1 or 4 into 2 (I prefer 4 into 2 but if there is substantial gains then 4 into 1 is OK)
Removable Core


everything sounds great, around $ 500.00 and I only want 4into2 and I would like it to look like the stock set up.
:cheers: If he can do that then I will take a set for my ZL900 :cheers:

[jmac]

Has to be chrome,maybe stainless,that would jack the price though.I can see some guys wanting black.A black system should be cheaper too. :detective: Thats my 2 cents worth.

[greg]

http://www.cusworths.co.uk/shop/product.php?productid=7978&js=n

while on the subject take a look at this set

[Shlim1]

Sorry guys, I am out of the game for wanting this anymore, but no one has mentioned the SuperTrapps!!

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this a piece that everyone liked, as it was a slip on that looked great, eliminated the PC and increased performance?!?!? I know it is not available anymore and Dale unfortunatly no longer has access to the jigs to make them, but someone has to have something available to copy something similar, maybe even fill the void of the peg support better??

I will have the availability to one side as a copy, if it is needed, but it needs to be guaranteed to me it will not get damaged!!!

Also, if you can be picky in any way, make it easier to put the bike up on a lift!!

Good luck everyone!

[CHRIS]

I hate looking at the left side of a zl with a4 into 1 it looks so naked like that!

Gotta say I like dual pipes better and the muffler area has to be filled out properly like the factory muffler does.

i have to admit, when i first picked up Eleanor, she already had the 4-1 exaust, & i was not crazy about seeing the left side of bike w/o exaust, but it grew on me, & i now like it alot ! however, i love the look of the stock 4-2
exaust better !

my requirements would have to be

OIL FILTER ACCESS ( my 4-1 does not offer this )
** " GROUND CLEARANCE"** ( 4-1 does not offer this )
GREAT STYLING, " MUST LOOK LIKE IT WOULD COME FROM FACTORY "
"PRICE"

i am presently trying to come up with idea's to redo my exaust to gain ground clearance . i am tired of bottoming out on speedbumps etc. etc. CHRIS

[furchin]

Bacchus, I don't know what I could add to what has been said other than to agree that anything would have to have the appearance of stock with the ease of previous suggestions. Cost is definatly a problem because I can't see any aftermarket pipes being less than $500. I already put that amount into Holeshots once and really can't justify it again. Although I do have some ideas in my head for getting some more growl in the sound. Just have to wait for mother nature to cooperate so I can get outside to experment.

[colin]

1. Would like to keep the stock apearance ie: chrome, 4-2
2. Not too loud, I drive to work early in the morning! :)
3. Slip ons would be fine but would like to see the power chamber go away.
4. Enough of a performance increase when combined with a jet kit to make $500- $600 spent worthwhile

[Bacchus]

wish list:
1. 4-2
2. slash cut ends
3. close to stock in appearance / big fat final pipe
4. improved exhaust tone / growl
5. street / track exhaust pack option or removable baffle, not too damn loud or harsh.
6. mount in stock location, molded with footpeg brackets
7. oil filter accessability
8. looks / sounds badassssss!! more low, end more rumble
9. $500 price point ----probably will cost more IMHO..
10. adequate ground clarance, pipes tucked up neatly under bike
11. part of a system that could produce 100+rwhp
12. larger dia. primarys
13. no 90 degree angles, smooth exhaust flow path
14. Slip on / full exhaust options
15. Pc must "go away" !

any one who would realistically be interested in the ufo dream pipe if poduced, please cast your vote so that we can gain some insight as to how many memebers would be willing to purchase. This information will be necessary to determine if production will be worth while to the vendor. so dont forget to cast your vote !

[MachIV]

4 into 2
slash cut
satin black (I hate chrome)
filter access (maybe spring mouted for easy removal)
optional C/F cans?

[zlMark]

I talked to Jon Cornell(UFO) yesterday. We talked about a 4-2 systems, ability to use all the cans he currently offers, and black ceramic is very do-able. I'll be visiting his shop next week and will bring plenty of pics and maybe even a spare exhaust for him to check out. He doesn't know the hurdles in making an exhaust for the zl but as you know, he did over come them on the VMax.

Reading back through this topic it would seem HP gains aren't a concern, but I know thats wrong! I think HP gains are a given in any after-market exhaust!

[MachIV]

I have a beat-up stock set(except for the chamber)
if needed for R&D.

You also need to figure in weight loss w/HP gains.
Less weight = more HP per lb.

[Bacchus]

Hey mach IV,

arnt you fast enough yet??? I think in order to be fair to the rest of us you should have to install a MORE restictive exhuast .....lol

[MachIV]

I`m using the stock headpipe(dechromed and jetcoated blk)
and an X-pipe for the rear 1/2.

[Bacchus]

any one else have an interest in this exhaust being built?? post up boys....

[zlMark]

Today I had a visit with Jon Cornell of UFO Performance Products. We talked about the demand for an exhaust for our bike and decided we should start with a slip-on system eliminating the power chamber.

We need at this point some more input on the design. I prefer the stock look slash cut and size, but I think a smaller slash cut that fit the foot peg holders nicely would look good as well. So let's hear some more input!

I need to add: I'm sure there are a number of you that have original exhausts that are damaged and you don't care for the look or fit of current systems available, so you just suffer the damage! I'm hoping to find a nice new replacement besides some of the 22 yr old junk we see on Ebay!

[wuputt]

I would very much like to put on some nice looking slip-ons, eliminating the power chamber is a great bonus! If for no other reason than to preserve my stock cans! :D

[Jarney]

Gotta have the stock look - same size, slash cuts, etc. - for the bike to look right to me.

[colin]

stock look - same size, slash cuts, etc.

[Bacchus]

please be sure the slash is positioned in the correct eliminator way ! isnt the outlet diameter of that exhaust 2.75in.?? that would make the outside diameter of the pipe about 3 in. wouldnt it? Did you get a chance to look inside these mufflers? what is the packing- baffeling like???

http://www.ufocycles.com/images/UFO%20Exhaust/HotRod%20slash%20cut%20vmax%20side.jpg

how does this muffler look to you guys? I guess it is a little bit smaller in diameter than the stock zl can, it doesnt look to small to me in this picture, what do you guys think???

[CHRIS]

judging by the pic. it does look a little smaller than stock zl can, but i'm not sure . it looks good to me ! i like it !!! CHRIS

[Bacchus]

On the subject of exhaust, I was holding the muffler pipe from the ufo vmax exhaust up to my zl to get some Idea of how it might look on my zl..... Im thinking prety much baddd assss ! a larger final diameter would be better or even better still would be the same size as the vmax but a double, two per side... this would look flat wicked......

[zlMark]

On the subject of exhaust, I was holding the muffler pipe from the ufo vmax exhaust up to my zl to get some Idea of how it might look on my zl..... Im thinking prety much baddd assss ! a larger final diameter would be better or even better still would be the same size as the vmax but a double, two per side... this would look flat wicked......Bacchus, where the pic of this held up to your bike?

[Bacchus]

I know how you guys are ZL900 crazy so, here is the picture of the UFO vmax exhaust end held in position on a ZL900. Looks prety good in the picture but looks better live and in person !

<a href="http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Bacchus1967/?action=view&current=101_0322.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Bacchus1967/101_0322.jpg" border="0" alt="UFO ZL Exhaust look"></a>

[paulfun]

I was afraid of that! Not to be crude or anything but that doesnt look good at all on the zl. The pipe is way too short and doesnt have enuff diameter to fill the space nearly as good as what is currently available.

[Bacchus]

Length is easily changed by the pipe work that would connect to stock exhaust parts. Diameter is smaller. I belive that mark and Jon (ufo) discussed this and it is possible to fabricate a muffler that more closely aproximates the diameter of the stock muffler.

as for me... like I said, looks realy good live and in person, I dont think the picture fully does it justice. Ill see what I can do to get something better posted for you guys to look at. Another option may be to have two mufflers per side for some extra beefy sound and look.

as far as filling the space.... what is currently available that fills this space better than what is in the picture??????? All other exhusts produced that Im aware of look like a square peg sticking out of a round hole to me ! These follow the countours and fit the space much better than anything else I am aware of..

[zlMark]

I don't think that looks as bad as I though it would. Keep in mind paul, that is a vmax exhaust not intended for the zl. The diameter is a problem but the length is not as much of a problem and easily made longer. It's the larger diameter stainless thats gonna cost. Bacchus, how about another pic with more of the bike in view........PLEASE! :biggrin:

[wuputt]

I like the look! I like that much more than any other options we have! I bet they will sound bad as heck too! Better stock up on ear plugs! :D

[Bacchus]

Ok, Ill get some more pic's up here.... with more of the bike in the shot.. my ZL9 is not going to make them look pretier in its current state !! but more bike NP. another thing that cannot be photographed properly is the opportunity to make adjustments to the angle of the pipe. I tried to get a shot in stock like positioning, however I think an adjusted angle looks more agreessive and cooler. Also, just looks wierd with someone in the picture holding the parts up....

[Bacchus]

here ya go !!!

<a href="http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Bacchus1967/?action=view&current=101_0323.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee43/Bacchus1967/101_0323.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>


The way these are baffeled ear plugs may be in order... a street pack option may be desireable

personally, based I what Im seeing in my garage... Im ready to order !

[CHRIS]

NOT BAD !!!!, but i think i'm gonna stick to my 4-1 for now ! CHRIS

[GGRA]

Today I had a visit with Jon Cornell of UFO Performance Products. We talked about the demand for an exhaust for our bike and decided we should start with a slip-on system eliminating the power chamber.

We need at this point some more input on the design. I prefer the stock look slash cut and size, but I think a smaller slash cut that fit the foot peg holders nicely would look good as well. So let's hear some more input!

I need to add: I'm sure there are a number of you that have original exhausts that are damaged and you don't care for the look or fit of current systems available, so you just suffer the damage! I'm hoping to find a nice new replacement besides some of the 22 yr old junk we see on Ebay!
I think Mark is right on about a slightly smaller than stock can that fits the foot peg well. The pic Bracchus has the link to from UFO look about right.

[zlMark]

bacchus,, I like the look but<<< there's always that! The stock exhaust looks better on our bike than anything.......Period!

So if there is a slip-on system made it will have to look stock, flow better and eliminate the PC. If i'm spending $$$ it better look better, and perform better than what I already have.

[MachIV]

I like it,but in black.
I think the reason 95% of the stock cans have scrapes
in them are that they are too wide.
I tend to scrape things on the road in corners so I don`t mind
them being a little smaller.
Also if you`re using aftermarket exhaust it tends to look better
if you P-coat the rear peg brackets black.

[Xterminator]

I like the standard silencers the best - part of the reason I like the overall look of the Eliminator.
Having said that...you try getting some !?
So, as an alternative, a slip on muffler like in the last photo, using the standard box, looks and sounds pretty cool to me and I would have a set.

[TerminalVelocity]

Ok,, have read most of this thread and here is my input. I only used Yosh "race only" pipes on all of my gsxrs back when I used to ride. Our bikes are low end and quarter mile drag bikes, so we want to retain or improve on LOW END power, where as most aftermarket exhausts help with top end. Bigger downtubes will help the guys with motor or carb work and you can help that by what Yosh used to call the "duplex" system that had a canister that kept exhaust gases loaded in the pipes, so back pressure was constant.
We also want to have plenty of R&D, so as not to have a pipe that may look good and performs OK, but we don't have enough DATA, to make it easy to put these systems on our bikes ourselves and not have a TON of "guess work" on jetting and can get all of the HP out of the setup.
I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but the return on investment for UFO may not be worth it??

I would like to vote for all black as an option(I hate chrome) and I LOVE noise!

We have to realize that todays technology is alot better than when OUR bikes were manufactured. I think we can get what we want(for everyone) if we can find a company that is dedicated to keep a LEGEND alive and spending the time to fully research power gains and customer opinions on looks.

I have been online for 2 hours trying to find options for exhaust and there are really just two that I have found and they come from this website.

If we could get a commitment from UFO on price, looks and the proper R&D and then just do a numerical poll to see how many he could sell, that would make it easier for him to make a decision.

Just my 2 cents:biggrin:
TV

[Xterminator]

Is this just a dream or will it become a reality?
I'm hoping the later!

[kawboy]

Has this dream died? Hope not.
I like the muffler that bacchus was holding up in the pics. Looking completely stock is not an issue to me personally.
4-2 definitely, filter access, ground clearance, etc.
Need a complete system (headpipes + mufflers). The remaining OEM headpipes won't last forever.
Packing options/rebuildable.
Chrome and black options.
As for the price - Holeshot was charging around $500 for slip-ons and we bought them. You know a complete system will cost more, esp. considering UFO is a small outfit.

[justin jackson]

is there a time frame on this? i am very intrested

[gordo]

I'm new to this site, but have been looking for exhust since I put a stage three k&n jet kit in. I've got cobra slip ons on it for now, but would love to have headers or some kind of custom exhust.
I agree with two into one with maybe a cross over below.

[josephinperry]

yesssssssssss 4 into 2 slash cut or turned out like the big radius pipes (vance and Hines) for harley ,slip ons that bolt up to header pipe under bike bypass collector box and out. should be cost efficient using stock headers where there is no problems....JOe

[zot]

what ever happened to this idea????
http://www.zl-oa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8210&highlight=home+made+exhaust

[zot]

Bump

[CHRIS]

Has this dream died? Hope not.
I like the muffler that bacchus was holding up in the pics. Looking completely stock is not an issue to me personally.
4-2 definitely, filter access, ground clearance, etc.
Need a complete system (headpipes + mufflers). The remaining OEM headpipes won't last forever.
Packing options/rebuildable.
Chrome and black options.
As for the price - Holeshot was charging around $500 for slip-ons and we bought them. You know a complete system will cost more, esp. considering UFO is a small outfit.
i think this dream is dying, just like the fork braces ! cost, & commitments ! people started out excited about these possibilities, but the interests just seemed to have faded away ! CHRIS

[Hellion]

Maybe interest in making them faded but interests in buying some if made didn't. Seems no one has produced pic's or even drawings of aforementioned fork braces, but the pipes have interest and pic's but manufacturer's lacking time and or willing to take on this project to begin with because most of us want to keep the costs down where as manufacturer's such as UFO want to hear "Oh yes make them what ever the cost we will pay it, we will buy 10 systems each! " when most of us here live in the real world. lol

[MachIV]

i think this dream is dying, just like the fork braces ! cost, & commitments ! people started out excited about these possibilities, but the interests just seemed to have faded away ! CHRIS

Fork braces are back on the front burner.

[Bacchus]

what????

please provide more detail on this

[zlMark]

Fork braces are back on the front burner.Thats right, and it appears those involved want to keep it on the "down low"

[Bacchus]

Im on the down low then.....

[Hellion]

Im on the down low then.....

As opposed to being Low Down! ROFL *sorry couldnt resist!* :lol::biggrin::lol:

[ThomZL]

So I have to know...did this pipe dream of 4 into 2, slash cut, near stock length for under 500 beans come true?

[kawboy]

So I have to know...did this pipe dream of 4 into 2, slash cut, near stock length for under 500 beans come true?


ha ha - we're still dreamin' :sad:

[ThomZL]

:-(

So I'm better off just keeping the original pipes or what is the most common substitute, my original are still in good shape but I'm thinking about going pods and re-jet and it's usually most advantageous to do the pipes to get the extra hp...I'd like get more hole and mid range power...recommendations on pods and reject an pipes? I've been reading the previous threads for a while now.

I have an 87 XL1k...I posted it for sale the other day, but today i just bought an engine so I'm back baby...

[ThomZL]

That of course should read "ZL"

[justin jackson]

So I have to know...did this pipe dream of 4 into 2, slash cut, near stock length for under 500 beans come true?
So the dream is dead?

[Bacchus]

deader den dogchit

[zlMark]

Couldn't say it any better bacchus.

These projects take money. If anyone is willing to purchase a 3 to 5 grand in custom ZL exhaust systems then this will happen. Contact me if interested.

[eliuk]

I'm currently in negotiatons with a local company (this is most likely the most use to UK owners) to make a replica replacement out of stainless steel for the downpipes (headers) and balance pipe all to original dimensions.
will keep you posted on how it goes and importantly price, bearing in mind "predator" wanted £400+ to make these.

[kawboy]

I'm currently in negotiatons with a local company (this is most likely the most use to UK owners) to make a replica replacement out of stainless steel for the downpipes (headers) and balance pipe all to original dimensions.
will keep you posted on how it goes and importantly price, bearing in mind "predator" wanted £400+ to make these.

I would buy nice pipes from UK.

400 GBP is 634 USD - a lot of money but not terribly out of line. Look at systems for other bikes - some of them up to $1200.

[justin jackson]

I would buy nice pipes from UK.

400 GBP is 634 USD - a lot of money but not terribly out of line. Look at systems for other bikes - some of them up to $1200.
I would also spend a lot of $$$$$ on a new exhaust system- The only reason I have not bought a header is because they hang down so far.

[militaryman1965]

Look guys, it's NOT all about horse power here.. What happened to the pure pleasure of just RIDING and ENJOYING these GREAT BIKES????

I fell in love with my ZL900 and am still putting it back to origanal condition. I would love to see something STOCK come out so that the ORIGINAL look is still there..

We all need to get out of the horse power mind frame and back to the "Dam I need to go for a ride just because I want to ride my ZL" mind frame again..

Just a thaught but like I said I need vote for something stock looking 4 into 2 is a must the 4 into 1 looks to cheesy to me..

[justin jackson]

We all need to get out of the horse power mind frame and back to the "Dam I need to go for a ride just because I want to ride my ZL" mind frame again..


I'm always in that frame of mind, until , some little rich punk that goes to the local college pulls up next to me on a crotch rocket that his daddy bought him( lots of those around here) and thinks he's hot ****. Then all I want to do is kick the crap out of him with my old school bike just to see the look on his face.:pistols: There are only 2 kinds of bikes in this town- crotch rockets and hardleys and I want to beat them all!

[militaryman1965]

Sorry guys been house hunting in Tennesse this weekend. I figure since the Army is gonna medically retire me I might as well be happy and moving to Tennesse will make me happy (riding all the time).

Anyway, I have yet to have a Hardely rider or a crotch rocket beat my ZL9. Remember it's always about horse power, but it is all about how you shift..

[mick]

I don't mind the exhaust that one of our members Mototrev had made up, pricey but I am sure the system would last quite a while.

http://www.zl-oa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7089

also the original system is apparently available, through these guys
you would have to work out the exchange rate and shipping but its listed
although I have never seen one of their systems

http://www.dropbears.com/o/overlander/index.htm

[eliuk]

I have been quoted £250-£300 to have the downpipes and link pipe join made up in stainless steel, they will be making up a jig to produce these using my old parts, when it is done i shall take pics and tell you how the fitting went and my opinion of the quality of the finished item.
fingers crossed!

[kawboy]

I have been quoted £250-£300 to have the downpipes and link pipe join made up in stainless steel, they will be making up a jig to produce these using my old parts, when it is done i shall take pics and tell you how the fitting went and my opinion of the quality of the finished item.


Yes, please do.

That works out to 415-498 USD - a lot of money, but still a good price for a stainless system.

What mufflers are you going to use?

[tscott427ss]

yes i would like to have a nice pipe the d&d sucks to low and very costly. So put me on the list. It needs to go around the motor instead of underneath the motor. 4 into 1 right?
That would be sweet to have one of those for my bike the ninjalator. that d&d just way to low.

[eliuk]

What mufflers are you going to use?

I'm using what was on before,......a pair of stainless (sporty looking) mufflers i had made up several years ago

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc237/twoelifans/muffler.jpg





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That would be sweet to have one of those for my bike the ninjalator. that d&d just way to low.


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These pipe i am having made are a copy of the original 4 into 2

[vinny]

Hey EliUK, have you got your headers made yet?
I would love to see how they turned out and if you are happy with them?

[eliuk]

I'm afraid things have not gone well with this, been seriously messed around, have been told they have been done but the guy who made them has TRIPLED his price (if they have been made at all, as i have not seen any development pictures or items))
Have got my deposit and original pipes back, if anyone sees a set of stainless pipes for a ZL from devon(southwest England) for sale, chances are it was the set made for me or from the jig that was alledgedly made up from my pipes, i would be very weary of the seller.
Still leaves me looking to replace my set, if get anything else organised i will let you guys know.

As they say "if something looks too good to be true it probably is"

Keith