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Paton/ Kawasaki Er6 / 650R Ninja Engine Blown Ups

Trojan441 Jan 5, 2020

  1. Trojan441

    Trojan441 Well-Known Member

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    When I was on the Isle of Man TT 2018, I came across a Paton 650, ridden by a quite "famous" well known. German guy called Rudi, he could have been late 50s but I reckon he was older than he looked! The Paton 650 is one of the most expensive bikes in the World, built in Italy and use an upgraded Kawasaki ER6 engine, being raced in the Lightweight Twins against the cheaper slightly modded Kawasaki version and in an open class against Including 675 cc Triumph Triples!

    To buy a Paton costs in excess of £20,000 and from a distance the green colour and aesthetics of the bike, gold frame are magnificent, however the Paton uses a modified ER6 engine and it looks like Kawasaki have had problems with motors dropping valves, so blame it on over-revving, some say quality control and some say through legislative pollution control the fuel mixture are too weak and the Exhaust valves are burnt and subsequently weakened! There has been recalls, but Kawasaki sometimes do not foot all of the repair bill which can run into £1000s!
    Seems like pollution controls and leaning out the engine mixture, the build quality and electrogimmickery/trickery stuff are not doing the Big K's reputation any good at all. The fact that Paton uses this engine as the base unit, Screenshot at 2020-01-05 17:28:37.png Screenshot at 2020-01-05 17:27:59.png Screenshot at 2020-01-05 17:27:15.png Screenshot at 2020-01-05 17:27:36.png IMG_0713.jpg Stradale-fianco.jpg Stradale-7.jpg is worrying too, if you are forking out £20,000 plus for a motorcycle!
     
  2. GaryD

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    Pretty sure what they do to those engine are WAAAAY outside their original design brief.

    Any racer will push an engine till it breaks...if you don't then you won't be going as fast and someone who does.

    Seen plenty of Z900/zzr/hayabusa motors that have been blown to bits...and they are the byword for strength and reliability.
     
  3. Trojan441

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    The bikes blowing up are peoples road bikes the ER6 & Versys, not yet heard of Race bikes blowing up!
     
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    :hello: Factoy race bikes are so high strung and some red line at 22,000 RPMs. Honda had a inline 250 4 cyn. back in the 70s that red lined at 22 K and it was good for one or two road races. Marty Smiths 1975 CR 125 M1 FACTORY motocross 2 stroke race bike made 45 HP and the motor needed the top end redone after every race.
     
  5. Ed

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    The smaller the displacement per cylinder, the higher it can rev and put out more hp per cc. R/C engines can easily put out over 400 hp/liter. That 125 makes 360 hp/liter.
     
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  7. GaryD

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    The impression is that it was a £20K patton that had blown up...by all the pictures.

    So it seemed logical (or so I thought) that a racer had blown his motor.

    Would assume that it's the a miss-use/quality issue as the racers (with the appropriate mods ) rev these much higher and get well over 100BHP out of them, so the basic design can taker the abuse.:thumbsup:
     
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    Sorry Gary didn't mean to deceive, I was trying to point out perhaps not in the most direct way, that the Big "K" was having trouble with engine problems with road going versions of the ER6 & Versys 650 Twin, bikes run by the general public.

    This 650cc twin Kawasaki engine, is the base unit used, though modified in the £20,000 plus Paton road bikes and Race bikes used in the Isle of Man, Lightweight TT.
     
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    Paton replica Race bike £45,000!
     
  10. 87kawzl

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    Toy for someone with deep pockets for sure.
     
  11. Trojan441

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    From 72.1 bhp to 80 bhp! 348 lbs weight Road going version! The weight of an old 350 with 45 plus bhp!

    The EU has managed to make anything manufactured in Europe almost prohibitively expensive!
     

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