ZL 750 FOR SALE ON EBAY UK

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Heres 1 you guys should like-BURN OUTS

I've never tried it myself (I'm getten old:-)) But how about you guys that do - tell us how you do it? From a stop, what RPM's do ya like? do ya like to use brakes? How about if your already moving? Do you get the front wheel up, or can you & how? Did anyone ever try a wheelie at highway speeds like the rocket guys do? I'd like to hear what some of you guys can do with your Eli's :twisted:
 
I too am interested, lets hear from all you hooligans out there.
 
Well with my 900 it's real easy, if you are stopped just twist the throttle. LOL The back tire will break loose real easy. I have no idea what RPM's are at when I dump the clutch.
I tried to smoke the tire once by using the front brake trick, but it didn't work. Instead of the back tire breaking loose I just ended up pushing the front tire along the blacktop. I dunno, maybe I wasn't doing it right though.
You can break the back tire loose while moving easily also. I've done it up to 3rd gear.
I don't know about getting the front wheel off, if mine is then it's not much. But I can't tell if it is actually coming off the ground or just the front shocks are extending out. Now I have seen a 900 raise the front wheel, a guy I know has a set of real sticky Avon tires on his and he can get the front wheel off the ground in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gears.
I have never seen an Eli do a wheelie before, and I kind of doubt it is possible since they are so long. But I could be wrong.

Don't underestimate the power and torque of the Eli. It's a monster.
It's really fun to ride up in 2nd or 3rd gear beside someone who doesn't know what you are holding and leave a black mark behind you.
 
With a passenger sitting right over the rear spindle its easy to lift the front wheel on a 1000.

Riding behind a jerk that was really slow in the bends and accelerating hard on the straights I was getting really p*****d off. I thought 'right mate, next straight that comes up I'll have you'. I was in top gear at about 50mph and as we turned onto the straight I dropped down to 3rd and whacked the throttle open.............WOW....I sailed past him on one wheel, reaching about 70mph. I was gobsmacked and the wife went a funny color..He He. It is just soooo easy to lift the front wheel off when your'e carrying a passenger.... its scary. One up its a lot harder, but I guess it would if you pushed it.

KK
 
Never tried the burnout myself, but I have wheelied on occasion. The long wheelbase and spinning back tire usually keep it under control, but a nice new concrete parking lot offers plenty of bite. Just dont loop out as the friction of the concrete tends to cause rapid weight loss.
 
That's the way, KK! Sometimes it's Harleys, sometimes it's old Cameros, either way the Eli is waaay too much for 'em. I have a sissy bar on mine now, so the girlfriend can't complain too much about the wheelies anymore. With Avons, I'm able to get the wheel up with a good launch in first and sometimes in second by myself, but with a passenger I can manage third as well. I don't do this too often anymore, though, since it feels like I'm beating the poor thing. Of course there's never any fear of the thing going over backwards like with short/high sportbikes, and I doubt I could get it high enough to "ride" even in first (20-30 yards and it comes back down) though I have never really tried. It's not a stunt bike but it's satisfying all the same.

By the way, the Hotrod article on the British Eli site mentions that the clutch was changed from the Ninja to allow some slip for traction and to be easy on the transmission. That makes "popping" wheelies difficult, since the clutch slip takes the jolt that's needed to jerk the wheel up. While it might not be best for the transmission, it seems that sticky modern tires have "eliminated" the need for clutch slip as far as traction is concerned, especially at the strip. I thought I noticed some clutch slip when I first got the bike but since it never got worse and wasn't too intrusive I sort of forgot about it or got used to it, and now I'm guessing that's what it's from. Anybody else noticed this, or have any of you dragracers converted to the Ninja clutch?

Burnouts, on the other hand, are the Eli's specialty. I've never noticed it spinning more than a little on takeoff (maybe the Avons are responsible for that), but with the brake it's easy. Just hold the front brake, take your weight off the bike, bring the revs to about 4-5k and drop the clutch. If you're having touble with the front wheel sliding you might want to sit on the gas tank or bounce the front suspension and drop the clutch just at the bottom when the pressure on the front is greatest, or maybe you just aren't dropping the clutch fast enough. I had a 650 Nighthawk that needed this treatment, but I've never had a prob with the Eli.
 
Hey Guys, I can shed some light on the Clutch. Clif wrote "By the way, the Hotrod article on the British Eli site mentions that the clutch was changed from the Ninja to allow some slip for traction and to be easy on the transmission. " I have a CYCLE magazine April 1986 with a test of the ZL600. It says this about the clutch "Like the big Eliminator, the 600 also acquired a two piece clutch housing that provides limited slip during high speed deceleration. The new clutch combats rear wheel hop sometime associated with shaft driven machines." It works like a modern slipper clutch and does not affect forward drive. It just makes the bike idiot proof if you downshift two or three gears and let out the clutch abrubtly it will let the clutch slip instead of your rear tire.
 
Hey guys, I though it was my good driving that had made the clutch last so long. Mine seemed to slip when I got the bike so I've nursed it along for 60,000 miles........Now you tell me it's designed like that??????????

Gutted ........I could have ridden harder!!!

KK
 
BTW How long do you reckon a clutch should last? Anybody with more than 60,000 miles on the clock?

KK
 
The clutch is not supposed to slip on launch, if that is the case your clutch has problems or you are running 100% synthetic oil. I started using mobil1 and noticed clutch slippage, the stuff is too slick for wet clutch. I switched back to regular oil and no slippage. The clutch is designed to slip on DE-Acceleration to prevent locking up and hopping of the rear wheel which would be bad in a corner.
 
burnouts

Hello Maxwell and all others,
I'm not sure on the rpm's either. I think it depends on how hard you dump the clutch, what type of asphalt/concrete you're on and what brand/type/compound/size of tire you are running. I think anything above 6000rpm should do it though. I usually hold the front brakes for a stand still burnout - of course. If you are already moving, in first gear, about 10-15 mph, just slip the clutch a little (pull in about half way and feather it back and forth) and hit the throttle until the tire breaks loose then dump the clutch back out. I've seen guys raise the front end with the rear tire smoking - that's what turned me on to the Eli's. I've never done this myself though so I'm not sure about the procedure. I have had the front end off the ground slightly. Hitting second gear really hard at a low speed usually works, slipping the clutch slightly. Or find a small arch in the road - like a small bridge out in the country - at a low speed, just as you start over the bridge, use the suspension, give a little throttle, let off quick and get back on the throttle hard and quick. This usually "floats" the front end just a little. This is a good way to "practice" and allows you to get used to the feeling of the front end being airborn without the dangers of extreme speeds, as well as damage to your forks or being out of control with the front pointed at the sky. As for pulling the front up at highway speeds like the "rocket" boys do, I really don't think the Eli's are set up for that or if it's even possible without some kind of damage being done. If all else fails on the burnouts, just butt the front end up against a building and let 'er rip - another good way to practice - get the feeling of a really slick tire. The Eli's have a tendency to fishtail to one side or the other - I think due to the shaft drive. You also have to get used to how the rear ends raise up instead of squat down when you are on the throttle hard.

Oh, yeah......you're never too old for burnouts..........hahaha.

Later.
 
Hey guys, the Hotrod article is on Davideo's site (linked from KERA), not the British Eli site. My fault, but Davideo is English, so I'll excuse myself in the same sentence. Anyway, here's the part I was referring to:

"...[T]he clutch, gearbox, and final drive system have all been reworked to handle the stress of repeated stoplight launches. The clutch gained an extra plate and a new diaphragm shock-absorption system to handle violent starts; there's also a slipping function built in to keep the rear wheel from hopping when the throttle is snapped closed at high rpm."

It sounds to me like there's a slipper/back-torque-limiting type clutch AND a sort of built-in "shock-absorption" function. Though the extra plate is nice, I can't but imagine that this would feel like a slip, especially if launched hard with grippy tires. Not having been able to find an Eli shop manual (just the Ninja), I haven't been able to get any concrete info on this. Does anyone have any experience with the clutch, like swapping it for the Ninja version, if that works? Seems to me that this would be the ticket for better/harder launches with modern (17" Mean Streak wheel?) tires.
 
monkeyhanger said:
:twisted: HAVE A LOOK AT THE ZL 750 ON EBAY UK GIVING IT AWAY £650 :lol:
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I would love to have one of those for my collection here, I dont think that machine was avail in the US. very cool
 
IT`S THE FIRST I`VE SEEN AND IT HAS A LOVELY MOTHER OF PEARL PAINT JOB BY THE LOOKS, I`M CONSIDERING BUYING IT FOR MY NEXT PROJECT(got to find the space) :?: :lol:
 
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